July 12, 2004

More 9/11 odds

Here is a small statistics primer. Let's say you order a pizza with half pepperoni and half pickles. The pizza arrives, you pay. Then you put on a blindfold, spin the pizza, and pick a slice. There are two sides, you have to pick from one. The odds are 1 in 2, or 1/2, or 50%. So there is a 50% chance you will get pickles.

Now let's say you go to the dealer to get your car fixed. It's going to take a couple of days so they offer you a courtesy car. You get to choose blindly from nine cars. Three are clunkers, and six are nice. Thats three 3 in 9, or 3/9, or simplified to 1/3. So there is a 1 in 3 chance of picking a clunker.

I got a lot of heat for my posting on 9/11 odds, but I assure you these are just numbers. They in no way are meant to discount or downplay the tragedy of that day, which was horrific. My intention was to provide some context for understanding the true risk that this type of terrorism poses to us each and every day.

Let's start with some numbers. There were 3,000 people killed at the World Trade Center in 9/11. Of course this number would have been a lot higher were it not for the heroic acts of brave firefighting men and women. According to the government of New York the population of New York in 2000 was 8,008,278. The odds of being killed in New York city on 9/11 were 3000 in 8,008,278 or 1 in 2669. I overstated the risk in my original post by saying 1 in 2,000.

The second number I gave was the odds of being killed if you were in the complex. Once again I overstated the risk. I was under the impression that the number of people working in the WTC complex was around 25,000, turns out it's 50,000 with an additional 200,000 in tourists. Forgoing the tourists, 3,000 in 50,000 is 1 in 16. Once again, I acknowledge that the number would have been much higher were it not for the firefighters, many of whom lost their lives, and for people being smart and resourceful and getting out.

To put this in practical perspective simply ask a friend or coworker to pick a number between one and sixteen (inclusive) and then try to guess the number. If you guess the number exactly then, in our simulation, you would have died on September 11th had you been in the World Trade Center complex. If you pick any other number you would have lived.

One reader pointed out; "Terrorists want every man, woman and child in the United Stated to be killed. This is no over-estimation; this comes directly from their literature/propaganda." Let's talk numbers again. On 9/11 there were three thousand people killed and there were twenty hijackers. Roughly speaking this means that one terrorist was responsible for killing 150 people (20*150=3000). If there are 1,000,000 terrorists in the world, and there are 293,718,982 Americans, each terrorist would have to kill 293 Americans, in order to kill "every man, woman and child in the United Stated". So they would have to find a way to kill almost twice as many people per terrorist as on 9/11.

Practically speaking the extermination of very large groups of people (and 293 million is very very large) is impossible. Hitler tried this with his horrific Final Solution and killed 6.1 million people over five years.

So how would one go about killing all of us? Surely nuclear bombs would be the most effective way. But if you do the math it would take a lot of them. Let's take a super large bomb, ten megatons, it's blast radius is 15 kilometers. Squared it's 15 * 15 or 225. The United States land mass is 9,161,923 square kilometers. So to carpet bomb the country and kill us all would take 40,719 ten megaton bombs. That number is low because the yield on that bomb is very high. More practical bombs would have a lower yield, and thus it would take more. You could argue that you don't need to carpet bomb the country, but you do if you want absolutely everyone gone.

How about chemical weapons? These, like Sarin, work best in enclosed spaces (subways). So getting a large yield in a public space would be difficult and many people would survive. To be really effective, like Saddam on the Kurds, you need air and ground supremacy so that you can attack civilians directly unhindered. Air and ground supremacy would be hard to come by within the continental United States.

How about bioterror? The most virulent and deadly virus known to man is Ebola Zaire which is 90% deadly. This means that there would be 29 million of us still left if the terrorists somehow weaponized Ebola and were some how able to keep it from running so hot that it runs itself out (like it does today.)

All of these doomsday scenarios are extremely unlikely. They all posit an absolutely evil enemy with unlimited resources, access and manpower. The terrorist resources, manpower and access is very limited. And while they may be absolutely evil the mainstream Islamic world would not support them in genocide and would rally around us just as they did after 9/11.

The Al Qaida terrorists are kooks. It doesn't matter what they say in their literature/propaganda about killing every American since it simply isn't feasible. The only thing that will kill us all is an environment calamity like an asteroid strike or another ice age, and that would take everyone else out too.

Yes, we need to stop Al Qaida. Yes, we need to fight terror. Yes, we need to stop terrorists plots before they occur. Yes, the loss on 9/11 was terrible and horrific. But living in fear of terrorists, and giving up our civil liberties and freedoms in an effort to fight them is wrong.

Your odds of getting killed during the Revolutionary War, with British armies trooping across the countryside, were far higher then your odds of getting killed in a terrorist incident today. Yet somehow or forefathers saw their way to building a country of unprecedented personal freedoms in the aftermath of that war. Now, two hundred years later, a bunch of kooks hijack planes and kill three thousand innocent people, and we are supposed to give up our civil rights and rational government for and by the people. I don't think so.

Posted by jherr at July 12, 2004 09:07 AM
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I was surprised by the stats too, so I whipped out a calculator, divided 3000 by 9 million, and thought, "Gee, Jack actually looked up the population of NYC."

I had to try 3 times to enter in the person-identifying string (the wrinkled background made a c look like an e), and I got an error message along the lines of "url not found" the first 2 times I tried to click the comment link after registering. Yes, I know how you programmers feel about vague bug reports without the word-for-word message and the exact chain of events. Sorry.

Posted by: Donna at July 12, 2004 12:42 PM

It will take a little while for the TypeKey system to work it's kinks out. Sorry for the troubles.

Posted by: jherr at July 12, 2004 01:06 PM

Yeah, NYC is ~9M. The entire state is ~18M.

http://eire.census.gov/popest/data/states/NST-EST2003-ann_est.php

Posted by: jherr at July 12, 2004 01:30 PM

I knew you looked it up rather than just guessing wildly like I did!

The last time I thought about the population of NYC was while being interviewed for jury duty. A food cart vendor had apparently been parked in the wrong place, had an altercation with the cops, and ended up in the hospital. I figured that since his crime, if any, obviously wasn't violent, there couldn't possibly be any justification in beating him. So assuming that the taxpayer is going to have to cough up the punitive damages eventually, all the jury needed to do was figure out how much, on average, we would willingly pay out of our own pockets in order to deter police misconduct in the future, and multiply it by the population of NYC. At this point I realized that the right thing to do was to confess that I had already made a decision and let them kick me out--so I never needed to do the research.

Posted by: Donna at July 12, 2004 06:45 PM

Are you from New York city?

Posted by: jherr at July 12, 2004 07:43 PM

Argh! Second attempt at a comment, because "preview" ate the text.

I am originally from Houston, went to college in the Los Angeles area, lived in Miami for 4 years (we met when I worked for Masanori Kasahara in Microbiology--I quit when I had a baby), then spent 4 years in New Jersey and 6 in NYC. I looked up Fret Navigator when my second husband talked me into playing bass guitar, so that he would have someone to solo over, and stumbled across your blog.

Our music page is at:
http://maindrault.com/music1.php
and the baby is on sax and clarinet on Blue Bossa and some of the others.

[Preview indeed ate the text again.]

Posted by: Donna at July 13, 2004 03:30 AM

I'll get the Preview bug fixed.

So, as a resident of NYC are my observations about survival odds insensitive to you?

Posted by: jherr at July 13, 2004 07:57 AM

Insensitive? No, it seems accurate. There are of course unusual local effects: a huge percentage of the employees of Cantor Fitzgerald were killed, for instance and the same with firemen.

With respect to disasters, I've always assumed that if something major happens--huge dinosaur-killing meteor, that volcano under Yellowstone--those of us in Manhattan are all going to die because the grocery stores only have a day's worth of inventory. But there's something to worry about everywhere--earthquakes in California, hurricanes in Miami, tornadoes and militias in Oklahoma . . .

[Yay, preview bug squashed, but now I have to put in line breaks manually.]

Posted by: Donna at July 13, 2004 12:56 PM

Ok. One reader said that my earlier comments were insensitive. I didn't think they were and it's nice to get a little confirmation from someone from NYC.

Not sure I can fix the [return] problem. ;-)

Posted by: jherr at July 14, 2004 07:10 AM
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