November 19, 2004

Bus ride insights

When I was in New Orleans I took a bus back from the convention center with several other tourists. In back of me was a couple sitting across from each other talking about the election. The man was obviously excited that Bush had one. His first comment about Kerry was, "He should just shut up now." Followed by some conversation about how he should get kicked out of Congress.

That line has stuck with me. Republican hate discourse. Why? Because it rattles their cognitive dissonance. They have one flawed view of reality. They know it's flawed, and yet they believe the lies anyway. So it hurts when people talk about politics around them.

Actually I will refine that. They don't mind talk as long as it reinforces their cognitive dissonance. For example, if you watch Fox at all you will notice that they might say in the news portion that no weapons of mass destruction have been found. Which is true. But Fox follows that up quickly with an editorial section, by Hannity or O'Reilly or whomever, that say that there really were WMDs found, or whatever lies. And since nobody differentiates the news from the editorial it's all good. It just fits into their world view.

I think this is why Fox's ratings are going up. The 54M people that voted for Bush have to watch Fox or nothing at all. Because Fox is the only thing that reinforces their world of lies. Anything other than the facts. Everything that is not Fox is somehow left slanted. I could show a simple graph that shows how many soldiers have died each month in Iraq. Starting high then going down quickly, and up, up, up, ever since. And somehow that would be biased or left or whatever. When, in reality, it's just a graph showing undisputed factual data.

I should be surprised by this, right? Thinking people should want to know facts. But then I think about Christianity, and how all of that is based on a belief in things that are demonstrably false or illogical. So the idea that you could take a bunch of people who reinforce their own fantasy reality every day and all day Sunday and ask them to add on some more fantasy isn't too much of a stretch. Makes me wonder what else we could pull over on church-goers?

Posted by jherr at November 19, 2004 01:31 PM
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I'm skeered of talking politics. It confuses me. The whole subject of world affairs is just . . . gawsh darnit . . . scary. Doggone I'm glad Bush won. He won, right?

I don't have Fox. I watch the networks. And I loved seeing Bill Clinton lose it with Peter Jennings.

"You don't wanna go there, Peter!"

That righteous indignation! He really believes his shortcomings were a vast right-wing conspiracy.

Regarding your graph. We all see the news that the soldiers are dying. We know the numbers are up. We know that the battles have been fierce. We know that brave, YOUNG men and women are dying. And we believe that they are fighting a necessary war that must be won. Showing us a graph is like forcing an artist to show his painting when it's half finished. Or pointing out all of the grammatical or continuity errors in a writer's unedited novel. It's annoying to have mistakes or shortcomings broadcast before you've had a chance to complete the job. Does anyone honestly think a war can be fought with no blood shed? Especially after they drew first blood with 3000 of us?

The question is whether or not the result will be worth the high and precious price.

Re: Churchgoers. I'm going to record an acapella version of Amazing Grace for you.

Posted by: Jacqueline at November 19, 2004 03:07 PM

Instead of recording it for a sinner like me, why not take it on the road with the USO in Iraq? Put your money where your mouth is. If you think this is such a good war, why not go yourself?

Posted by: jherr at November 19, 2004 09:07 PM

"Especially after they drew first blood with 3000 of us?"

Get your facts straight, read the 9/11 BIPARTISIAN Commission report.- FACT - Iraq had nothing to do with Al Quida. Al Quida killed 3000 American's on Sept 11. FACT - we have diverted resources from Afghanistan to fight Iraq, We fertilized a breeding ground for terror in Iraq.. We invaded them on misinformation and lies of the administration. Now we have to clean up the mess of Iraq, but a rush to judgment and ignorance is what put us there. The blood of our soldiers who have died in Iraq is on this administrations hands.

Posted by: Lori Herrington at November 19, 2004 11:35 PM

You are painting with a mighty wide brush there podner.

Does this mean you hate ALL Christians. Are they all the samed?

Posted by: WCutherell at November 20, 2004 05:32 AM

You are painting with a mighty wide brush there podner.

Does this mean you hate ALL Christians. Are they all the same?

Posted by: WCutherell at November 20, 2004 05:32 AM

You are painting with a mighty wide brush there podner.

Does this mean you hate ALL Christians. Are they all the same?

Posted by: WCutherell at November 20, 2004 05:33 AM

Sorry about the multiple posts. Just tried to correct spelling

Posted by: WCutherell at November 20, 2004 05:35 AM

I believe my comments were restricted to Christians who self-identify as Republicans. But even so. The religion that has been built around the philosophy presented by Jesus Christ has put too much emphasis on blind faith. The philosophical basis of Jesus' teachings, many of which I agree with, stand through reasoned debate. There is no need for the insistence on blind faith. And that blind faith, held in regard above factual understanding, which is damaging our national discourse and dividing our country.

Posted by: jherr at November 20, 2004 07:39 AM

Faith, it is becuase thats what the Book says.

Posted by: WCutherell at November 20, 2004 11:56 AM

Your book. Not my book. Not all American's book. Your book.

Posted by: jherr at November 20, 2004 12:12 PM

Sorry. I think I misunderstood you. If you are saying that blind faith is in the book. That would be tough for me to say, since I haven't read it. Nor do I ever intend to. But from some of the basics, the ten commandments, the gold rule, it is clear to me that absolute blind faith may be part of it, but is not a recipe for your whole life. For example, I doubt the Book would be in favor of you going delinquent on all your bills because of your faith that Jesus will provide.

Posted by: jherr at November 20, 2004 01:03 PM

I find it quite interesting that you judge the faithful so harshly when you have never read the book and never intend to. You are attacking something you don't understand.

Granted, it sounds like you're attacking a general, blanketed idea of "ignorant" Christians, but what about the biblical scholars? What about historians who cultivate ideas and know the history of the world at the time of the biblical teachings? People who are informed and still believe?

The enemy isn't a religion. It's the ignorance within. It's the human factor.

Posted by: Jacqueline at November 22, 2004 07:54 AM

Are you going to go with the USO to Iraq or not?

Posted by: jherr at November 22, 2004 08:10 AM

I'm going to look into it. I went to the link in your post and they book people who have charted on Billboard. Then, they have a separate entity for people who are still trying to break into the business. I'm going to send them a promo pack. I'd love to do it.

Actually, one of my cowriters also writes with a guy who wrote a patriotic song in 2003. Gen Tommy Franks heard it and called the writer and personally asked him to do the USO tour in Iraq, so who knows? It could happen.

Posted by: Jacqueline at November 22, 2004 09:34 AM

Good for you. Please let me know if I can help.

Though I do find it curious that you found the time to criticize me for not physically going to a protest when you had not spent the time supporting your own beliefs.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised though as the religion you hold so highly values sticking your nose into other people's business far above straightening your own house.

Posted by: jherr at November 23, 2004 01:56 PM

Actually, Jesus said something about taking the plank out of your own eye before worrying about the speck in your brother's.

I just responded to your posts. Initiated a dialogue. If you don't want comments that don't agree with your opinion, perhaps you shouldn't allow them at all.

Posted by: Jacqueline at November 23, 2004 02:52 PM

You have done far more than simply comment on my blog. You have been continuously critical and negative of my political actions. You've said that I aided and abetted the enemy. Said I was ignorant. People around you have commented on my blog and called me a half brain. You have even used private comments my wife made to you in confidence to try to criticize me on this blog.

No, you don't just comment.

As to this... "Jesus said something about taking the plank out of your own eye before worrying about the speck in your brother's" Perhaps you should follow it.

Posted by: jherr at November 23, 2004 03:47 PM

Okay. I'll go away now.

Posted by: Jacqueline at November 24, 2004 07:50 AM
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