August 16, 2005

"Lowering expectations" about Iraq

The new administration line on Iraq appears to be lowering our expectations about the outcome:

The United States no longer expects to see a model new democracy, a self-supporting oil industry or a society where the majority of people are free from serious security or economic challenges, U.S. officials say.

I'm not worried about my own expecations. Sending us to a war based on a set of lies is not right, no matter what the outcome. And I'm worried that the administration cares more about being able to paint this as a limited success to their base, then about the Iraqi people. Though I don't find that surprsing.

Let's just look at this in the large as a set of before and afters. The before picture in Iraq is pretty bad. There is a dictator who squanders what little funds come into the country through the sanctions on his own lifestyle, and who kills anyone who protests.

Now what we are saying is that the sanctions have been lifted. But the country is in a shambles after two years of war and an ongoing insurgency. There is no continuous power. Potable water and food are in short supply. The number one cause of death is "by mistake" where people are gunned down simply for being in a traffic jam. Jobs are non-existant, and the nation's one source of wealth, it's oil generating capacity, is shot to hell.

And that's just on the ground. Politically it's even worse. Most of the country will be governed by sharia law where women can't hold office, must dress in burkahs and are second class citizens. And the government will be made up of religious sects with probably warlords duking it out for power. Which is the same state you would see in a place like Ethiopia or Afghanistan pre-Taliban.

One has to look at the before and after in a "at what cost" to judge this war. Saddam was bad to be sure. Ousting him from power is a fine result. But would that be worth say, killing every man, woman and child in Iraq. Obviously not, right? So there is a line somewhere that defines what is an acceptable cost for the goal of removing Saddam and what is not. I'd argue that the cost to America for having gone into this war on a false pretext. Combined with the cost to Iraqis of a country which is effectively in ruins where their daily lives are far worse. That is over the cost line.

It would have been far better to leave Saddam in power and confined than to have this result.

Actually, let me put it a different, perhaps more succint way. Our first reason for going into this war was WMDs. Obviously everyone knows that there were no WMDs so that part of the war was a failure. Then came the second reason, which was to liberate the Iraqi people from the clutches of a madman. Well, you can't liberate people only to hand them over warlords and call it a success. And saying this: "The United States no longer expects to see a model new democracy..." means that there will be warlords, dictators and the like.

This is sad but was inevitable after the election of November 2nd.

Posted by jherr at August 16, 2005 11:58 AM
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And if Kerry had won last November and pulled our troops out? Would Iraq be better off now?

So the WMD's haven't been found-that's a given, but it doesn't take away from the fact that all respected intelligence sources at the time believed they were there. Both sides of the aisle voted to go into Iraq. John Kerry's editorial in the NY Times laid out his plan on how to go in there. It was strickingly similar to the way we DID go in there.

So we're there. Which leads me back to my original question.

Posted by: Jacqueline at August 17, 2005 11:49 AM

Actually I do think things would be substantively different on the ground if we had taken a different tack with the reconstruction. There were a lot of mistakes made after the "mission accomplished" statement, the looting, the unrest, the hard line on de-baathification, the allocation of contracts, the infamous "bring it on" line.

And there is a lot of room now for us to work with other countries, and to try different approaches in country. But the President is too arrogant and stubborn to change his approach.

Frankly I think that someone who actually served in the Vietnam war. Who saw with his own eyes the lies and failures in that war. Would have far more experience to bring to the table, to come up with alternatives. Then this failed loser chicken-shit draft dodger you call a President.

As to the world, no, the world wasn't duped by the President and his conspiracy of lies. Read the Downing Street Memo from our allie England. As to our Senators, they get their intelligence and information from the Executive branch. And those branches were systemically lying to the Congress. Twisting the intelligence to justify the war which was already a foregone conclusion.

Here is one clear example. Aliminum tubes that were en route to Iraq were confistacated. There were several possible uses for those tubes. One was in short range missiles. Another was for uranimum enrichment. All of the experts, save one, said they were for missiles. Citing the exact make and model of missile. And saying that the tubes were completely inappropriate for enrichment. The Bush administration decided to go with the one lone holdout who said they were for uranium enrichment. It's cherry picking, and in the large, it's lying with the intent of leading us into a costly unecessary war.

I do think Iraq would be better off. But the only reason I can say that is because the approach would not be as laced with arrogance and ignorance as it is with this administration. You righties always want us to come up with plans when you are in charge. I don't have the intelligence on the ground. I'm not in control. I don't know the specifics and thus can't give specific plans. What I do know is that this administration is incompetent and the situation is out of control. And almost any change in management away from the neocons would produce a better result.

Posted by: jherr at August 17, 2005 12:45 PM
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