The New Road

I don't know why anyone would ever want to get into politics on the national level - even the state level is nasty, but to have soooooo many people out to destroy you . . . . it just doesn't pay enough.

Yeah, this crimilization of politics is so distressing.

I mean, come on, Bill Frist being prosecuted for selling stock that was supposed to be in a blind trust just days before the stock tanked. That's just crazy talk.

And Tom DeLay breaking campaign finance laws so that he could stack the Texas house and redistrict out of year? That's not criminal is it? Oh, wait, yeah, it is.

And Bush, Cheney, Libby, and Rove in a criminal conspiracy to out a CIA agent in a vendetta against a man that exposed their concocted evidence to take us into an illegal war. That's not criminal, right? Oh, wait, yeah, it is.

And the black site prisons? And the breaking the torture laws? That's not criminal? Right?

Here is a hip tip to share with your Republican friends. If you want to see less of your Republicans indicted, then stop electing people who break laws.

So now that used the 'criminalization of politics' defense why not try the 'perjury is not a crime' defense.

Oh, wait, let me dig that quote up:

"Certainly, perjury is a felony, the last time I checked."

Who was that again? Oh, yeah, Sean Hannity, who was talking about Clinton.

Let's not have double standards. These people committed crimes. They are going to jail. That's how law, order and justice work. You are in favor of law, order and justice aren't you?

That's what I'm saying. You get into a position of power, where so many people kiss your ass constantly, and think you're above the law. Then the people on the other side, who have been trying to take you down all along, but who you have been sheilded from by your ass-kissers, finally break through and find something on you and you are dragged through the mud.

It's on both sides. I have said that from the time we started discussing politics. It's ugly.

Pres. Clinton lied under oath. Lost his license to practice law.

His wife obstructed justice by hiding the billing documents from the Rose Law Firm.

Sandy Berger stole top secret documents from the National Archives and destroyed them.

I'm sure they all have good stories in defense of themselves. Just like the Republicans.

Frist's family owns the company that he dumped the stock of. What I've heard was that he was getting rid of it specifially to avoid a conflict of interest. I don't know all the details, though, because I'm not paying that much attention. I do know that I love the Frist Museum on Broadway, about two miles from my office and that the Frists do a lot for our community.

The Tom Delay case is laughable. Even you should know that. A fishing expedition. His actions weren't illegal at the time. Habeus Corpus?

The indictment against Libby has nothing to do with Valerie Plame. Even Joe Wilson said so. They couldn't find any evidence to charge Libby or Rove with outing her. It goes much much deeper into political ideology and I have no interest to get that deep into it.

I'm just saying that, in my opinion, those jobs don't pay enough to endure that kind of grief. I wouldn't do it. There's some mean and evil happenings in DC and I'm glad to not be inside.

Amazing, you are right up to date on the talking points. And yet somehow you don't watch Fox or listen to that freak Hannity, or the drug addict Limbaugh.

Let's see. Frist keeps his stock for years, all the while saying that there is no conflict. Then dumps his stock, and all of his direct families stock, a couple of days before it tanks. Strange? Yes. Illegal. Yes.

Tom DeLay is a fishing expidition? Then why has he already plead guilty to related charges?

And the Libby indictment. On this you are actually correct. Wo! Yes, he wasn't indicted on the charge of outing a CIA agent because he obstructed justice so well that the prosecutor couldn't complete his investigation of that crime and now has to spend his time trying to get this guy to slop lying habitually. The real investigation is ongoing. More indictments will be coming once he pushes past all of Libby's lies.

So, let me see. In your book:

Getting a blow job is a impeachable offense.

Blowing the cover of a CIA agent, getting members of her team killed, and damaging our national security by destroying the team monitoring weapons proliferation is something that we can overlook because you have "no interest to get that deep into it".

Oh, wait. So you say this: "Pres. Clinton lied under oath. Lost his license to practice law."

And I guess that's what you would want. Since you hate Clinton. But Lewis Libby who also "lied under oath" is really innocent and shouldn't be prosecuted.

First, I don't hate Clinton.

Secondly, we got cable turned on again a few months ago.

Thirdly, I do listen to Hannity and Limbaugh at the office.

And finally, if you get caught breaking the law, you should have to suffer the consequences.

My whole point was that it is on both sides. Being on the Left or the Right does not exempt anyone from getting covered in the slime that comes with power. Or with being human. I just wouldn't want the microscope on me that way - with all of the most aggressive, fierce freaky people filled with hatred trying to destroy me. Especially since it doesn't pay very well.

You don't hate Clinton, eh?

"Clinton helped China along with their nuclear program"

"You know, I was embarassed by Bill Clinton. I thought he was a terrible role model for our youth."

"You left Clinton off your list of Chickenhawks"

"It would not have been so close if 50% of the country were not disgusted with Bill Clinton."

"Lori - many many people died while Clinton was lying... See above for a list of people who died while Clinton lied. And add to it Vince Foster, David Koresh and his nutty followers. Luckily, little Elian Gonzales survived his brush with the Clinton Administration."

I could go on and on, but, suffice to say, you have not had anything nice to say about Clinton. About the closest you got was saying that in hindsight some people believe Kosovo was a good thing to do.

Did you change offices?

"First of all, I can't get Limbaugh in my office. I can only hear him occasionally, in my car, on my lunch hour - so I'm not spewing anything of his."

So now that you are listening to him and Hannity all the time are you now spewing his talking points? Because all three of your rebuttals were straight off those shows.

So why isn't Limbaugh in jail?

Didn't he admit to abusing Oxycontin, prescription shopping, and having his maid make illegal drug runs for him?

Can you really take anything Limbaugh says seriously? He is a habitual liar and a drug addict. And I'm not even going to mention the three broken marriages.

In addition, Hannity? The man is a moron. Clearly you should have second thoughts about listening to his drivel after learning the truth about Terri Schiavo that clearly vindicates Michael Schiavo.

I'll have to start commenting more on what the moron and the drug addled gas-bag spew on a daily basis. Debunking those guys is like shooting fish in barrel.

How long did it take you to find all of my old quotes? Just curious.

I stand by all of those quotes. And you'll notice that in NONE of them did I say I hate Clinton. I think he's a brilliant speaker - and a superstar. Is that nice? I think I may have even said something about that during the Democratic Convention in 2004. He had SO much more charisma than Kerry. I would love to sit in a room with him and listen to him and maybe even talk with him.

Yes. I changed offices in February when one of the Partners left the firm and started his own company. He asked me to go with him and I did. I listen to Rush and Hannity and Glenn Beck (have you heard him?) on my computer.

I'm pretty sure Limbaugh's case is still pending. I know he went to rehab and admitted he's an addict. I think he's fighting the other things you listed.

I listen to him because I think he's funny. He definitely is biased and most everything he says is politically motivated, but I recognize that going in. And I know he exaggerates things and really stretches situations into his mold.

Hannity is so passionate - bless his heart.

I still don't believe Michael Schaivo is innocent. He very well could have caused Terri to collapse in the first place and may have gotten away with murder. We'll never know. The evidence is gone and the only EMT's on the scene aren't talking. Refuse to talk.

Don't waste your time debunking them for my benefit. Go ahead and devote your time to Air America. They need all the support they can

Bloated oxycontin addict freako is funny? Wow. I could easily compile a list of quotes from that drug addled loser that is horrible, shocking, disturbing and not even remotely funny. Though I'm sure you would say it's all just "taken out of context, my friends!"

Yeah, I know Glenn Beck:

"And that's all we're hearing about, are the people in New Orleans. Those are the only ones we're seeing on television are the scumbags"

I also liked when he had "Mitch" the torturer on the line and said: "Mitch, I've got to tell you I appreciate your service. " After Mitch told him: "Well, with simple masking tape or duct tape, you dilate the eyes, and they you use halogen lamps, and a person is placed in a rigid position where they cannot move. Their eyes are opened and the halogen lamps, you know, they're producing 40,000 watts. It's intense. And that breaks them down. High-pressure water -- I mean, you've heard the term "drinking from a fire hose." I wouldn't do that. That generally wouldn't extract what you want, and usually would drown somebody quickly. But you can use high-water pressure into one ear, and when that first ear drum is broken with, you know, 14 or 15 hundred pounds of water pressure going in, the don't -- they will talk before that second ear drum is broken."

Is that funny? Is it funny to torture people to death?

Have you had a chance to talk with your minister about how you think that Micheal Schiavo is a murderer, and that you think that way because somebody told you that on the radio? How does that reconcile with your faith?

How is it that you believe in Jesus, a man who taught love, charity and compassion, and you find pleasure in listening to those who preach war, death and torture?

I giggle every time Rush says "The Reverend Jackson". Every single time.

I guess the humor is the carrot he dangles and leads me along to the far right - all the while, planting seeds about "the kook fringe left" who are taking control of the democratic party . . . .

I'm just a mind-numb, giggling little middle-american, completely snowed by political ideologes.

But - I still don't think politics pays enough for the abuse.

So I can safely assume that torture is funny to you, and that torture represents the best of your Christian ideology?

Ummmm . . . not from what I said. From what I said, you know that I think it's funny when Rush says "The Reverend Jackson."

You can assume anything you want. But to safely assume that I think torture is funny would be wrong.

I'm not sure what's funny about "The Reverend Jackson."

My comments were about Rush's statements on torture, which mark him as a clear advocate. And additionally, Glenn Beck's outright emploring of the government to use torture. Both men having never served a day of combat in their lives.

Do you think they are funny when they talk about torture?